Re: Ping: Brian Cryer (some extra history)

From: David Brooks ([email protected])

I was always 'wondering' - even way back then!!

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On 07/09/2009 21:03, ~BD~ wrote:
> "~BD~" wrote:
>
> > > BoaterDave wrote:
> >> > > (This is a resurrection of a past query - to which no satisfactory
> >> > > reply was received)
> > >
> >> > > Can you help me to better understand Header information? When I
> >> > > first came 'here' I  had no knowledge of message 'Properties' at
> >> > > all. I'm still a little 'in the dark'. I've tended, like I'm
> >> > > confident most visitors do, to accept the 'Nick' of someone posting
> >> > > to represent who they really are - *especially* if a well know
> >> > > 'helper' is involved.
> > >
> > >
> >> > > I've also learned that an IP address is attributable to each and
> >> > > every computer so I'm a little confused when I compare the header
> >> > > information I show below. The poster seems to have two different IP
> >> > > addresses 71.173.71.14 and also 24.115.13.114. Perhaps there is a
> >> > > very simple reason for this.
> > >
> > >
> >> > > I had hoped that someone would comment so that I might better
> >> > > understand. Maybe simply say that one item was posted from home and
> >> > > the other from a different computer at work.
> > >
> > >
> >> > > However as 'PA Bear' has now blatantly lied about my history (I've
> >> > > never been banned by any ISP) I now wonder if there is ...
> > >
> > >
> >> > > a) someone masquerading as Robear Dyer or
> >> > > b) something of the dark about him.
> > >
> > >
> >> > > Comments welcomed (especially any from Peter Foldes - he *knows* it
> >> > > can be done!)
> > >
> > >
> >> > > Dave
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > <snipped>
> > >
> > >
> > > Response by Shenan Stanley
> > >
> > > First - headers and how to read them:
> > > http://www.google.com/search?q=how+to+read+email+headers
> > >
> > >
> > > Such as the first link:
> > > http://www.emailaddressmanager.com/tips/header.html
> > > Or second link:
> > > http://www.virtualchase.com/researchskills/quality_emailheader.html
> > > Or fourth link:
> > > http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=29436
> > >
> > >
> > > Second, anyone can post from multiple IP addresses.  Don't overthink.
> > > If
> > > someone was to use a laptop - they could post from possibly dozens (or
> > > more)
> > > different IP addresses throughout a normal day just by act of
> travelling
> > > and
> > > using free internet access.  If someone was a computer technician and
> > > did
> > > not work from a single location - again - very plausible they would
> post
> > > from various IPs.  Even if they worked from a single location - it is
> > > possible they could post from multiple IP addresses in a single day
> > > (perhaps
> > > they have two or more different ISPs, perhaps they just released their
> > > internet assigned IP and grabbed a new one or used a different
> computer
> > > and
> > > they get multiple IPs from my ISP, etc.)  Are there more complicated
> > > ways to
> > > do it?  Sure.  Many times people travel and still post from the
> same IP
> > > because they remote into a central machine and do their work over a
> more
> > > secure connection that way - leaving all their data and such in the
> > > secured/locked down physical location.
> > >
> > >
> > > Third - you should know that anyone can be anyone, anywhere.  It's
> just
> > > easier to be anyone here than it is face-to-face.  It takes little
> > > effort,
> > > really.  Someone changes their reply-to and posting name - they are
> now
> > > seen
> > > as someone else at a casual glance.  If the header exists and is
> > > accurate
> > > (and actually goes back as far as the original poster - it may not
> > > depending
> > > on the news server they used, etc) - then that is one way of
> determining
> > > more accurately that a person is the same person they have always
> been;
> > > however - as stated before - getting another IP address (even on the
> > > same
> > > machine) is a fairly easy process these days - so that is no guarantee
> > > either.
> > >
> > >
> > > Most of this you already know in a manner of speaking - because we all
> > > know
> > > you have several accounts you post from (you have said this yourself -
> > > or
> > > *have you*?  Could we ever be sure?) - even in these newsgroups.  I
> have
> > > seen you change names.  No matter what, ~BD~ and BoaterDave are not
> the
> > > same
> > > name - even if they are meant to be and are the same person behind the
> > > curtain.
> > >
> > >
> > > After all - I see three names for you here:
> > > http://forums.techarena.in/security-home-users/1053152.htm
> > > (BoaterDave, ~BD~ and imbeady2)
> > > More complete and readily visibly:
> > >
> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.security.homeusers/br...
> > >
> > >
> > > In that example alone - out of your (assumption on my part - although
> > > you
> > > state it is you in there somewhere with all the names) 20+r so
> responses
> > > in
> > > that conversation, I count at least seven different 'google groups
> > > profiles'
> > > or addresses that would lead to separate profile links:
> > >
> > >
> > > One of the more active profiles (~BD~):
> > >
> http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=P1RbSBkAAACeRwrN9o3y...
> > >
> > >
> > > Not quite as active - but still active profile (BoaterDave)
> > >
> http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=LEyReRgAAAB4ZB5JZSpj...
> > >
> > >
> > > And the "imbeady2" 'nick' shows a different address each time - likely
> > > because of how it was synchronized with the main post from a web
> forum.
> > >
> > >
> > > If you were to check out the headers on just your own messages - the
> > > "NNTP-Posting-Host:" changes several times.  It's all dependent on how
> > > you
> > > post, from where, etc.
> > >
> > >
> > > Hope that helps explain a little better what is going on.
> > >
> > >
> > > - Headers can give you more details about the path a message took and
> > > more.
> > > - Headers can give you very little actual information about the person
> > > sending the message *if* that person is capable (of some computer
> savvy
> > > and/or just moving from place to place.)
> > > - Therefore "nicks" (short for nickname) mean very little in an open
> > > anonymous forum.  Anyone can be anybody at surface level.  If someone
> > > chooses to take on the nick of someone who also uses multiple
> > > computers/IPS
> > > (moves around a lot) - it can be even more difficult to tell (although
> > > if
> > > one minute a post is leading back to Texas and the next - China...
> > >  Well -
> > > no - it could still be just savvy - because a simple explanation could
> > > be a
> > > friend/business partner/business in one or the other and remote
> > > desktop.)
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Shenan Stanley
> > >      MS-MVP
> > > --
> > > How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
> > > http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
> > >
> > >
> > > Reference:-
> > >
> > >
> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.security/browse_thread/thread/ffbb6754a5f49af4/830a821f9803f673?hl=en&q=Peter+Foldes&lnk=nl&;
>
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
> It seems as if I failed to thank you for your very helpful post, Shenan.
>
> The information was very helpful. I duly apologise for not saying so
> before!
>
> I trust life is treating you kindly!   :)
>
> --
> Dave (in Devon)

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Ping: Brian Cryer (some extra history)... by ~BD~ on Sep 7th 2009, 20:03